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post #1 of 118 (permalink) Old 10-04-2011, 09:43 PM Thread Starter
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Another Broken Transmission Wave Plate

Well, my days of "trouble free" ownership with the wife's 2008 Enclave are over. We just suffered what I am positive is the dreaded "Broken 3-5-R Wave Plate" failure. I was driving her car over the weekend and experienced two episodes of engine rev followed by a hard shift between 2nd-3rd gear, but it only did it twice and drove fine the rest of the weekend. I had a nagging worry that it was a sign of impending doom, and today I got the call from my wife that "I'm in the driveway and can't get the Enclave into reverse". Sure enough, OnStar pulled down codes P0700 and P2715 which indicate the dreaded broken wave plate. Just put her on the flatbed of a tow truck and sent her off to the dealership (the Enclave...not the wife) and will follow up with them in the morning. The Enclave is 4 years old this week and has almost 68K miles.

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Re: Another Broken Transmission Wave Plate

I am sorry to read about your Enclave's transmission's problems. Please take a few moments to add your vote to the Wave Plate polls just added to the forum today.

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Oh yeah....and tomorrow's my 42nd birthday. Happy Birthday to me and the Enclave, huh....what a **** of a note!

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I am sorry to read about your Enclave's transmission's problems. Please take a few moments to add your vote to the Wave Plate polls just added to the forum today.
Just did....thanks for compiling this data!

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Well, my days of "trouble free" ownership with the wife's 2008 Enclave are over. We just suffered what I am positive is the dreaded "Broken 3-5-R Wave Plate" failure. I was driving her car over the weekend and experienced two episodes of engine rev followed by a hard shift between 2nd-3rd gear, but it only did it twice and drove fine the rest of the weekend. I had a nagging worry that it was a sign of impending doom, and today I got the call from my wife that "I'm in the driveway and can't get the Enclave into reverse". Sure enough, OnStar pulled down codes P0700 and P2715 which indicate the dreaded broken wave plate. Just put her on the flatbed of a tow truck and sent her off to the dealership (the Enclave...not the wife) and will follow up with them in the morning. The Enclave is 4 years old this week and has almost 68K miles.
If this doesn't happen till 68K and or 4 years....I guess that's acceptable. Do you think this is JUST about how many miles, or could this happen at a lot lower mileage? (guess I should wait and read the polls to determine this...) Anyway, I still think you've done well....68K miles with not much issue, that's good.

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Did I see somewhere that even with the failure, it's like 1-2k to fix? Is that a total overhaul while they're in there, or a bare minimum job where only the needed parts are replaced and the rest is labor?

When you really think about it, it's not hard to realize that Japanese > American > European for reliability. So if we want 100% reliability, the best shot is to buy Japanese. My Nissan is 13 y.o. @ 209k and has never had a major repair. It's textbook, it's cookbook, it's typical, it is what it is. My BMW has had multiple repairs under warranty starting late in its first year all the way through year 4, and has been out of commission for 3 weeks at the dealership. The Buick needed the squeaky seat repair at < 300 mi., and then all of a sudden last weekend clanking and grinding metallic sound, in under 2k and 1 mo. of ownership. So thus far, it has been the least reliable of the 3. So the Enclave defied Consumer Reports--I checked it before buying it.

With that being said, it's probably the least expensive to repair. I already know what it feels like to pull into the dealership with a sinking feeling, how would you have felt with a clanking and grinding metallic sound coming from the Enclave as it drove? If the risk is 1-2k I suppose I'll just deal with it. I've seen "kids" on the BMW forum pick up a used 330i for what's considered cheap (under 20k), and be faced with a $6,000 eccentric shaft replacement in a matter of mos. 4 years and trouble-free ending is probably above average for a GM, above average for a BMW, and below average for a Japanese car. But we already knew all that going into our purchase imho.

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Oh yeah....and tomorrow's my 42nd birthday. Happy Birthday to me and the Enclave, huh....what a **** of a note!
Happy Birthday! A car is nothing to worry about on such a great day!

I've seen people laid-off on their birthday, so worse things could happen. Who knows for how long I can say it, but I have never been laid-off in my career, nor have I laid anyone off. Sooner or later, I suppose it will happen, especially given the direction of our economy.....

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That stinks about the transmission.

Oh and...Happy Birthday, perhaps your day will turn out a whole lot better.



PS: Good idea not putting your wife on the flatbed.

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Did I see somewhere that even with the failure, it's like 1-2k to fix? Is that a total overhaul while they're in there, or a bare minimum job where only the needed parts are replaced and the rest is labor?

When you really think about it, it's not hard to realize that Japanese > American > European for reliability. So if we want 100% reliability, the best shot is to buy Japanese. My Nissan is 13 y.o. @ 209k and has never had a major repair. It's textbook, it's cookbook, it's typical, it is what it is. My BMW has had multiple repairs under warranty starting late in its first year all the way through year 4, and has been out of commission for 3 weeks at the dealership. The Buick needed the squeaky seat repair at < 300 mi., and then all of a sudden last weekend clanking and grinding metallic sound, in under 2k and 1 mo. of ownership. So thus far, it has been the least reliable of the 3. So the Enclave defied Consumer Reports--I checked it before buying it.

With that being said, it's probably the least expensive to repair. I already know what it feels like to pull into the dealership with a sinking feeling, how would you have felt with a clanking and grinding metallic sound coming from the Enclave as it drove? If the risk is 1-2k I suppose I'll just deal with it. I've seen "kids" on the BMW forum pick up a used 330i for what's considered cheap (under 20k), and be faced with a $6,000 eccentric shaft replacement in a matter of mos. 4 years and trouble-free ending is probably above average for a GM, above average for a BMW, and below average for a Japanese car. But we already knew all that going into our purchase imho.
It seems we always get to talking American vs. foreign when a problem crops up. You have data for your own vehicles, but this doesn't mean someone else will have the same thing happen to them. I know people, myself included, who've had GM's all their life (my dad, who's in his 80's) and has had much better than average reliability from their cars. Actually, on average, all my dad's GM vehicles have done better than the few foreign he had (VW, Datsun). It's a case by case basis, you can't say all GM's are bad based on the Lambdas, there are W-body's, H-body's, with the 3800 and 4-speed auto, who go 200K miles before anything significant to repair. (the Buick LeSabre is where the good reliability came from and that was after the vehicle had been out for a long time).

Well anyway, I'm a broken record....sorry for those who've heard my rant here before. I agree, the Enclave and other Lambdas have issues (or potential issues) that I've never seen in a vehicle. But also, they have things I've never had, DI high horsepower engines, software driven everything, 6-speed trannies, 3-row crossover on a car type platform, etc. My fault for buying something cool this time around, before it was proven...and before it was "boring". (but....I won't swear off GM because of issues that no one could forcast....I'll suck it up and deal with whatever comes along, and not badmouth the whole company)

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I agree kids. I have owned a Toyota and two Subaru's that have needed a new transmission, leaky head gaskets and piston slap, and a new transmission repectively all in less than 60K miles. My American vehicles have been more reliable from a major failure perspective, but the Japanese were probably more reliable from a minor inconvenience issue perspective.

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