Nav Lockout By-Pass: Anyone try this?

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[rpasetto]

You're right, bsox.  I should get to it.

[netmag]

Can't believe that A) this topic has not generated more buzz, I thought all of us hated being locked out of the nav and B) no one else has done this yet.

I doubt if most people who paid the significantly extra amount of money for the NAV would be keen to rip it out and start cutting wires. You have to be highly motivated to want to do this.

It was only recently that I decided this is worth doing something about. I decided that I didn't pay the money for the NAV to have to pull over just to look through the NAV or change a destination. It's just too much of a hassle with the kids and all. Our youngest is turning one and we'll probably all be going out a lot more now that the weather is getting nicer. They can sit there ok for the most part but why push it by stopping and starting or having to go out of our way to find a place to pull over. It just seemed ridiculous and so I finally decided to act on it now.

So for me though, I would've definitely thought about it if I hadn't already bought the lockpick. I suppose I could still return the lockpick if I wanted but I think I'll keep it. I don't have any regrets about getting it, but the price difference would've forced me to think a bit longer about which route to try.

[bsox]

I doubt if most people who paid the significantly extra amount of money for the NAV would be keen to rip it out and start cutting wires. You have to be highly motivated to want to do this.

It was only recently that I decided this is worth doing something about. I decided that I didn't pay the money for the NAV to have to pull over just to look through the NAV or change a destination. It's just too much of a hassle with the kids and all. Our youngest is turning one and we'll probably all be going out a lot more now that the weather is getting nicer. They can sit there ok for the most part but why push it by stopping and starting or having to go out of our way to find a place to pull over. It just seemed ridiculous and so I finally decided to act on it now.

So for me though, I would've definitely thought about it if I hadn't already bought the lockpick. I suppose I could still return the lockpick if I wanted but I think I'll keep it. I don't have any regrets about getting it, but the price difference would've forced me to think a bit longer about which route to try.

Well, I could not stand the fact that I could not enter destinations while moving which in my mind is what the stupid thing is designed for.  It was BECAUSE I paid "significant" extra money for this that I wanted it to work while moving.

You don't rip it out, it comes out in less than 5 minutes, you have to take it out to install the lockpick as well and you only cut one wire not multiple wires, it is easier to do than installing the lockpick as you don't have to worry about having to try and fit the new module in behind the radio.  It literally would take me less than 15 minutes to install this switch and have it all put back together.

[Plague]

Ctraz, the issues with the screens not allowing entry and some other navigation issues I thought were taken care of with the software update the dealer has to perform.  I posted a document in my gallery "navigation software upgrade" to see if you have the current software you push "menu & seek up" at the same time and then click on the FM tab (sometimes you have to click on audio button) and right in the middle of the screen you should see your version (long number) - from what I have researched the 2008's should show 100F for the first 4 digits if the software is current, for the 2009 models it should show 101B.  I highlighted everything yellow that pertains to the Enclave the crossed out items are for the cadillac.  I had mine updated really didn't notice any big changes, but now my navigation doesn't do the occassional blank screen it had done a couple times since I owned the vehicle.  I seen his concern was about items not being accessible while driving.  This update fixes the items that may not be accessible while driving, like scrolling lists, address book, navigation entries like entering a destination....  I think that may be alot of work for a known software issue, because his work around does nothing more then allow entry while driving which is what this update says it fixes these software anomalies.

Do you have the TSB number for this upgrade?  I didn't see on on the PDF.

[Tim]

Plague, See my post on page 2.  It's TECHNICAL Bulletin No.: 08-08-44-013A Date: September 10, 2008.  It contains this note - "Important: For the condition regarding features not accessible while driving, this will only be addressed in 2007 and 2008 model year Cadillac Escalade vehicles."  Tim

[wyoenclave]

I'll have to disagree with the alldata information that it's only for cadillacs (can you PDF and put in your gallery?), the part I marked off in my gallery document was for cadillacs on how to update and check because it was not pertinent to the Enclave I could of removed it but choose to just strike out, there is alot of simular technology in the cadillacs and enclaves - I own a 08 and 09 Enclave, both locked the scrolling features when moving, you could only view the first screen of a list unless you stopped (categories are a example), and both my vehicles had issues with the screen going blank/black when shifting gears (happened more on my 09) and this update has addressed and corrected both, if someone does have below 100E (2008) or 101A (2009) they need to get the updates so they don't have these problems present themself, where the issue was in this discussion is if it allows you to enter a address while driving and these updates DO NOT allow you to enter addresses while driving but how dangerous is that anyway I don't want to be in front of someone doing this that rear ends me - but I'm for allowing people to do whatever they choose with there property - if that's what people want I support there right, but with a 09 you have the ability if you have onstar destination download onstar can feed the address directly into the navigation for you.  But stating these updates do not apply to the Enclaves but only the Cadilliac is not 100% true (the update fixes many software related issues that are now fixed on my systems), ask your dealer for a information printout, mine is willing to email and fax when I ask - most people do not know how to check there version - hit menu and seek up a couple times (simultaneously) and then hit the audio button and select the FM tab - it shows your software version on the screen.   My only reason for bringing it up is maybe people were having the disc read errors, the screen going black (off), or the locked scrolling while driving - people that don't notice or encounter these issues may not need, but if you do you'll see the update fixes these problems and getting the update performed is worth a trip to the dealer.  I know many new people have had the disc read errors and blank screens and commented about the locking scrolling on screens (this is probably the least noticed because you have to be moving to notice it's even locked/disabled).   

[netmag]

You don't rip it out, it comes out in less than 5 minutes, you have to take it out to install the lockpick as well and you only cut one wire not multiple wires, it is easier to do than installing the lockpick as you don't have to worry about having to try and fit the new module in behind the radio.  It literally would take me less than 15 minutes to install this switch and have it all put back together.

I agree that its easy to take it out. Years ago, I installed an aftermarket headunit, speakers, and amp in our other car and the factory radio was harder to take out in that car than the one in the Enclave.  However, it doesn't really matter how easy it is. I still think most people would consider it as "ripping" it out. Many people won't  even take the dealer license plate frames off let alone consider taking their NAV unit out and splicing a switch into a wire behind it.

[Tim]

TECHNICAL Bulletin No.: 08-08-44-013A
Date: September 10, 2008
Title: Navigation Radio - Blank Screen/Disc Read Errors

Is attached.

This software update has fixed my occasional blank screen when shifting from reverse to drive.

[bsox]

I'll have to disagree with the alldata information that it's only for cadillacs (can you PDF and put in your gallery?), the part I marked off in my gallery document was for cadillacs on how to update and check because it was not pertinent to the Enclave I could of removed it but choose to just strike out, there is alot of simular technology in the cadillacs and enclaves - I own a 08 and 09 Enclave, both locked the scrolling features when moving, you could only view the first screen of a list unless you stopped (categories are a example), and both my vehicles had issues with the screen going blank/black when shifting gears (happened more on my 09) and this update has addressed and corrected both, if someone does have below 100E (2008) or 101A (2009) they need to get the updates so they don't have these problems present themself, where the issue was in this discussion is if it allows you to enter a address while driving and these updates DO NOT allow you to enter addresses while driving but how dangerous is that anyway I don't want to be in front of someone doing this that rear ends me - but I'm for allowing people to do whatever they choose with there property - if that's what people want I support there right, but with a 09 you have the ability if you have onstar destination download onstar can feed the address directly into the navigation for you.  But stating these updates do not apply to the Enclaves but only the Cadilliac is not 100% true (the update fixes many software related issues that are now fixed on my systems), ask your dealer for a information printout, mine is willing to email and fax when I ask - most people do not know how to check there version - hit menu and seek up a couple times (simultaneously) and then hit the audio button and select the FM tab - it shows your software version on the screen.   My only reason for bringing it up is maybe people were having the disc read errors, the screen going black (off), or the locked scrolling while driving - people that don't notice or encounter these issues may not need, but if you do you'll see the update fixes these problems and getting the update performed is worth a trip to the dealer.  I know many new people have had the disc read errors and blank screens and commented about the locking scrolling on screens (this is probably the least noticed because you have to be moving to notice it's even locked/disabled).   

Well then you will want to stay off the road when I am driving, send my you cell number and I ring you when I am out...   Come on , how dangerous is it, not very if you ask me.  How about cell phone, breast feeding, and driving, now that might be a problem.  How about your category scrolling or checking and reading POI and Exit information off the thruway going 65 (I assume you don't speed) or pushing on the screen allowing you to check a location or zoom in and out...I use these as examples of what you could do, but scrolling down your previous destinations or entering a phone number, now that was too dangerous I guess.  The whole point is to have the flexibility to use the darn thing when you need it including on the thruway...I for one am adamant that pulling over on the shoulder of the road either on a dark highway or a thruway to enter a destination is far more dangerous than myself or a passenger doing it carefully and slowly while moving. 

[Plague]

The unfortunate thing is that GM assumes that the driver is the only one in the car of a 7 or 8 passenger vehicle.  It would be great to be on the road with my wife, and have her punch in the address as well.  Plenty of other companies allow for this.  It would be good for GM to allow it as well. 

I am going to go get the scrolling thing fixed as well.

[rpasetto]

The unfortunate thing is that GM assumes that the driver is the only one in the car of a 7 or 8 passenger vehicle.  It would be great to be on the road with my wife, and have her punch in the address as well.  Plenty of other companies allow for this.  It would be good for GM to allow it as well. 

I am going to go get the scrolling thing fixed as well.

These vehicles can detect that there's a passenger in the front seat; it reminds you their seat belt is not buckled.  This same signal could have been used to turn off the lockout.

Hmmmm .... maybe a pressure switch under the front seat...

[goochman]

ok - can someone clarify one thing in this thread since it seems we have 1 yes and 1 no:

Can you scroll XM categories while in motion on the NAV screen with the latest software upgrade(100F?) on a 2008 Enclave?

[wyoenclave]

if you update the software it fixes that issue, see the screen shots below....and it does do what it says

[rpasetto]

Is this update available for 08's also? ... or only 09's?

[Plague]

There is an update for 2008's and 2009's.

[rockyp]

Maybe this ought to be a new thread, but the pictures above triggered my question. Do you really notice the automatic volume control working? I have it on, but still have to turn up the volume at freeway speeds.

[C Traz]

Automatic volume definitely works.  Notice it at stop lights when the volume decreases.  Maybe you just like to crank the tunes when you're cruis'in!!

CT

[rockyp]

I haven't noticed that - but I don't listen to music, I listen to talk or audio books. At highway speeds, I know I have to turn up the volume to hear and understand the dialogue.

[wyoenclave]

What I know about the bose automatic volume control is that it samples the sound that is processed and then a microphone in the vehicle compares the sound coming out of the speakers and if other noises are heard in the sample picked up by the microphone it raises the volume based on speed, but you do have to go into your nav settings and change how you want it to adjust the volume, if it's turned off - no chages occur.  You might have to change the low, medium, high settings if your not hearing much of an adjustment when sound increases inside your vehicle cabin.      You shouldn't hear a drastic change in volume if the system is working properly.

[armywife]

Maybe this ought to be a new thread, but the pictures above triggered my question. Do you really notice the automatic volume control working? I have it on, but still have to turn up the volume at freeway speeds.

That was my first question after I got this car. Again, I was comparing this feature to GM's Grand Prix where it is quite noticable. I have asked the dealer this, they have tested it and said it works as it supposed to, that it is not so obviuous as on previous models because people were complaining that it was too sudden.