Nav Lockout By-Pass: Anyone try this?

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[C Traz]

Saw this on the acadia forum.  Anyone here on this forum try this.  Interesting idea.  Follow the link below.

CT

http://www.acadiaforum.net/forum/index.php?topic=5422.msg69303;topicseen#new

[wyoenclave]

Ctraz, the issues with the screens not allowing entry and some other navigation issues I thought were taken care of with the software update the dealer has to perform.  I posted a document in my gallery "navigation software upgrade" to see if you have the current software you push "menu & seek up" at the same time and then click on the FM tab (sometimes you have to click on audio button) and right in the middle of the screen you should see your version (long number) - from what I have researched the 2008's should show 100F for the first 4 digits if the software is current, for the 2009 models it should show 101B.  I highlighted everything yellow that pertains to the Enclave the crossed out items are for the cadillac.  I had mine updated really didn't notice any big changes, but now my navigation doesn't do the occassional blank screen it had done a couple times since I owned the vehicle.  I seen his concern was about items not being accessible while driving.  This update fixes the items that may not be accessible while driving, like scrolling lists, address book, navigation entries like entering a destination....  I think that may be alot of work for a known software issue, because his work around does nothing more then allow entry while driving which is what this update says it fixes these software anomalies.

[cableguy]

wyoenclave...with all due respect...are you sure this "software upgrade" disables the lockout while driving???  This is a serious legal issue that I doubt GM would disable.  The new NAV software does disable the legal screen mumbo jumbo from appearing each time at start-up and now appears about every 50 vehicle starts but I have heard of no one on any GM forum stating that NAV lockout gets disabled during driving.  This is why the aftermarket devices or the modification above are available on the market.

I think you need to recheck your facts on this one   The way it functions for the rest of us is the way the manufacturers intended to prevent usage while driving and jeopardizing your safety while playing with your NAV.  No different than not allowing your NAV to show you a DVD movie while driving...only works when the vehicle is in park.  If GM did do this...I would be shocked as I am aware of no vehicle manufacturer that allows NAV usage while the vehicles in motion.

This is a new one for me but I will perform your "button test" and speak with my dealer just in case GM has totally lost its senses

[bsox]

wyoenclave...with all due respect...are you sure this "software upgrade" disables the lockout while driving???  This is a serious legal issue that I doubt GM would disable.  The new NAV software does disable the legal screen mumbo jumbo from appearing each time at start-up and now appears about every 50 vehicle starts but I have heard of no one on any GM forum stating that NAV lockout gets disabled during driving.  This is why the aftermarket devices or the modification above are available on the market.

I think you need to recheck your facts on this one   The way it functions for the rest of us is the way the manufacturers intended to prevent usage while driving and jeopardizing your safety while playing with your NAV.  No different than not allowing your NAV to show you a DVD movie while driving...only works when the vehicle is in park.  If GM did do this...I would be shocked as I am aware of no vehicle manufacturer that allows NAV usage while the vehicles in motion.

This is a new one for me but I will perform your "button test" and speak with my dealer just in case GM has totally lost its senses

Cableguy, also with all due respect, I agree with everything you said until not being aware of any manufacturer that allows NAV while in motion.  My Honda Pilot did not lock out anything while driving...what a concept, I could change destinations or look for an old entry without having to pull over on the shoulder and risk getting run over by a semi....

[cableguy]

Thanks bsox...learn something new every day.  I had a 2006 Honda Odyssey and that did not let us do anything while driving.  I know that manufacturers are paranoid about using NAVs while driving for liability issues.  Interesting that Honda would allow.  Maybe I should have bought a Pilot

[bsox]

I just checked out the link...this is great info...I really think this is what I have been looking for and am heading to Radio Shack after work today.  What a simple solution to an aggravating problem.  I just have to figure out where to mount the switch.  I want a more inconspicuous place to mount it.  I think maybe on the drivers side of the center console, short wires and just a small hole to drill in the plastic, the switch should blend right in...

[bsox]

Thanks bsox...learn something new every day.  I had a 2006 Honda Odyssey and that did not let us do anything while driving.  I know that manufacturers are paranoid about using NAVs while driving for liability issues.  Interesting that Honda would allow.  Maybe I should have bought a Pilot

No, been there done that...I am almost positive Toyotas are not locked out either...at least a guy riding with me one day who has a Toyota Nav was going crazy with mine in that he could not do anything with it while we were driving and said he could in his Toyota.  Also was in a friends Lexus and he was using it while we were moving.  I actually think this is a GM deal.

[bsox]

I am assuming the wire harness and wires are all the same across the GM system...anyone else think differently?

[ccaats]

No, been there done that...I am almost positive Toyotas are not locked out either...at least a guy riding with me one day who has a Toyota Nav was going crazy with mine in that he could not do anything with it while we were driving and said he could in his Toyota.  Also was in a friends Lexus and he was using it while we were moving.  I actually think this is a GM deal.

My boss' Ford Edge doesn't allow inputs during driving either....AND he gets the "legaleze fine print" screen which he must "accept" before he can use the NAV with every vehicle start-up.

[bsox]

My boss' Ford Edge doesn't allow inputs during driving either....AND he gets the "legaleze fine print" screen which he must "accept" before he can use the NAV with every vehicle start-up.

OK FORD too, I should have mine done this weekend so I can use it as intended...I will let everyone know how it works...

[ccaats]

bsox...make sure you..........

 

[wyoenclave]

Cableguy "with all due respect" I never stated that this update turns off ALL locks, it only fixes issues that were not meant to lock while driving and some are related to destination entry and address book, (blank screen issue) - please re-read the document from the Acadia forum, this guy wanted to be able to enter address or destinations, he says "I wanted something cheap & simple to use that will allow my passenger to enter addresses while moving"  There is a difference between the 2009 navigation options and your 2008, I think there was actually more updates issued for the 2008 models (rev 100 A,B,C,D,E,F many more revisions) - my 2009 has (101 A & B) and has always had 50 starts before the "caution screen" came up for the navigation options.  GM never intended that you couldnt control your radio - which is what was happening with many customers the options would lock on the radio when driving - categories can not be changed with arrows (this was a software anomolie, not the way it was intended) The guy in the acadia forum states his button doesn't allow you to see DVD while driving and I never stated this update stops ALL lockouts (I know you would have to get a lockpik from coastal tech or something equivalent), with this switch you have to turn it back on or the navigation doesn't even know your moving because sensors are bypassed, but there is several functions that were locking on mine and others that weren't suppose to lock while driving, GM acknowledge these were strange and not as it was programmed.  I get that viewing a movie is locked for a reason, this software doesn't change this (did you read my PDF document in my gallery?), but changing my categories or adding a destination shouldn't lock while driving per GM - this is even more critical if you have a 2009, if onstar destination download could not import your destination addresses then a user would have to stop driving to allow them to feed the directions into the system.  I simply asked Ctraz if maybe the acadia gentleman could of fixed his issue with allowing entry in address book by getting his system flashed with the current update instead of having to go through the trouble of putting in a bypass VSS switch.  I don't think you completely understand what the point was here...I own a 2008 and a 2009 Enclave I'm aware of the differences and I've seen my address entries lock while driving and now they don't, I've had my radio category scroll options lock while driving and now they don't - but everything else remains the same, I still get the caution message after 50, and my dvd movie viewing is still locked if I shift to drive.  Please read the PDF document in my gallery, it's the technical information about the corrections the latest update performs (not my words) ask your dealer for detailed description of what the update performs maybe they can explain it more, I don't think alot of people know about this update and some know but don't know what it does for them.  You won't know what I'm talking about unless it's impacted you, or you actually wondered by your radio functions lock while driving? or you can't enter destinations while driving?   Good reading... Have a good night "with all due respect" 

wyoenclave...with all due respect...are you sure this "software upgrade" disables the lockout while driving???  This is a serious legal issue that I doubt GM would disable.  The new NAV software does disable the legal screen mumbo jumbo from appearing each time at start-up and now appears about every 50 vehicle starts but I have heard of no one on any GM forum stating that NAV lockout gets disabled during driving.  This is why the aftermarket devices or the modification above are available on the market.

I think you need to recheck your facts on this one   The way it functions for the rest of us is the way the manufacturers intended to prevent usage while driving and jeopardizing your safety while playing with your NAV.  No different than not allowing your NAV to show you a DVD movie while driving...only works when the vehicle is in park.  If GM did do this...I would be shocked as I am aware of no vehicle manufacturer that allows NAV usage while the vehicles in motion.

This is a new one for me but I will perform your "button test" and speak with my dealer just in case GM has totally lost its senses

[bsox]

Wyoenclave, could you try to cut to the chase a little more (I am serious, no offense intended)...

i.e.  With your software updates, can you as you are driving down the road at 55 mph, enter in a new destination via address entry or POI entry or whatever?  or can you scroll through all of your previous address entries or is it just the first page?  I can not do these things unless my vehicle is stop or going less than 3 miles per hour...I want to have full access to these functions as moving, do you have this with the upgrades?

[Tim]

I just had the software on my 2008 nav radio upgraded to 100F.  The occasional blank screen when shifting from reverse to drive hasn't re-occurred so far.

All the same lock-outs - address entry, any scroll list - are still there when the car is in motion.

What I think is interesting about the legal topic, is that I can drag the map around, select a point on the map, then select the go button to get navi guidance to the destination.  In my mind, the zooming, unzooming, dragging the map around requires you to keep your head down much worse then being able to put in or select a saved address.

[rpasetto]

I just checked out the link...this is great info...I really think this is what I have been looking for and am heading to Radio Shack after work today.  What a simple solution to an aggravating problem.  I just have to figure out where to mount the switch.  I want a more inconspicuous place to mount it.  I think maybe on the drivers side of the center console, short wires and just a small hole to drill in the plastic, the switch should blend right in...

Hi Bsox,
I just read through the Acadia Forum topic on this also.  It seems to be a great idea.  Please let us all know how it works out.   I want to do this but I won't have the chance to work on it for a few weeks.  I think I'll mount a pushbutton switch either inside the top of the glove compartment or inside the top-of-dash compartment.

Also, regarding your later comment

I am assuming the wire harness and wires are all the same across the GM system...anyone else think differently?

 
 Can someone on the forum with more technical information on the Enclave wiring, perhaps someone from GM or a dealer help us out here?

• To verify that the Enclave wire position and color is the same as what's reported in the Acadia Forum?
  
• Is there another location, perhaps easier to reach where the VSS wire can be accessed?
  
• Are there any differences in removal of Nav unit?

[Domtesta]

The radio wiring schematics are the same for Acadia, Enclave and Outlook.  The radio bezel is very similar but I think the vents don't come off with it like in the Acadia.  Just pry at the sides of the bezel but be careful not to gouge it.  Putty knife or bigger flat blade screwdriver is best if you don't have the proper plastic pry tools.  BTW, Harbor Freight sells a set of plastic trim pry tools for pretty cheap.

[rockyp]

I was able to just pull it off with my fingertips...

[netmag]

When I installed the gen 5 lockpick, I used a business card and a very small flat head screwdriver. Then once it was up in one corner I used a bigger screw driver and worked my way around. Probably could've done it by hand especially once I got it started but since it was my first time doing it, I just followed the instructions and took my time.

This by-pass would certainly be a more cost effective solution to getting around the Nav lockout but I wouldn't want to splice wires on the factory harness. If there was a short male/female patch cable available somewhere that you could put in between the factory harness and the radio then this would be great as you could do the splicing on the patch cable.

However, if you're going to go through the whole 9 yards like the person who did this and drill a hole in the dash for a flip switch then I guess there's probably no point in bothering to preserve the factory stuff anyway.

[cableguy]

No way a patch harness would work as the cable that enters the connector must be cut to perform the splice.  I am getting ready to install an integrated Bluetooth kit into my wife's Clave so while the NAV unit is out, I think I'll do the mod too.

[netmag]

What's the difference? Maybe my use of the term "patch cable" is not correct, but essentially I'm talking about extending the factory harness with a male/female connector that runs straight through. It would just be an extension to the factory harness. You could then cut the wire on the extension cable instead of cutting the wire on the original harness. That would give you the same result. It's basically just keeping you from having to cut the factory wiring. The Coastaletech lockpick has such a cable except theirs is a T-harness so they can put their black box in between it and the radio.

However, like I said, if you're going to drill holes in the dash for the switch and everything then keeping the factory stuff clean probably doesn't matter.