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chris311 01-27-2019 07:20 PM

Should I buy an Enclave?
 
Hello,

I'm looking to buy a 2014-2016 pre-owned Enclave. After researching some common problems with these vehicles, I'm now a little gun shy. I have a few questions that I was hoping some of you could help with. I currently own Toyotas and put upwards of 200K miles on each with little to no mechanical issues. Could I expect the same from the Enclave? I've read about the transmission, a/c and timing chain issues. Have any of these issues been resolved on the 2014-2016 models? We are really easy easy on our cars and keep up the maintenance as it should be. Thanks for your recommendations and suggestions.

By the way.... I've owned my Buick Grand National since 1986 and it has 59K original miles. I am excited about the possibly of owning a new generation Buick again! :smile:

JayS 01-28-2019 07:27 AM

It's very unlikely you're going to go 200k in an Enclave without a lot of repairs. I don't expect to keep mine much past 100k. The forum is full of people who stretched their budget by buying 90k+ miles Enclaves and their stories don't end well. GM has come a ways but they're generally not 200k mile cars.

That said, take problems on a forum with a grain of salt. For non-enthusiast vehicles 99% of people don't join a forum if their car is running fine. They join because they're having an issue and want help or want to complain about an issue to anyone that will listen. Meanwhile the trouble free cars get under-represented because their drivers have no reason to sign up and post.

fcar53 01-28-2019 11:02 AM

I can't say if you can get 200,000 miles out of an Enclave. What i can say is a lot of problems have been work out for 14-16. I owned an 09 Traverse LTZ that i had many problems all under warranty so not much of a problem. I now own a 15 Enclave Premium. Bought used with 5000 miles. Have owned for 3 years and 30,000 miles and not a single problem"Knoch on Wood'. So if you do buy i would also buy a Warranty for insurance. I did.

gig229 01-29-2019 02:11 AM

The newer Enclaves are much better. I'd get the latest model you can afford. GM made major changes to the transmission starting with the later 2013 models which eliminated the pressure switch issue on the TECM.

B-Man 01-29-2019 11:49 AM

I have a 2013 and just spend almost $4k to have my transmission rebuilt at 97K miles. I am not sure that the transmission problem is completely solved.

rbarrios 01-29-2019 02:59 PM

nearing 150,000 on my 2010 Trans.
Has not broken down.


Though Ive replaced the discs.... (the discs were removed in 2012+ trans- so no need to worry about them)

The discs were $30 or so- they tear- from Flexing.


I do occasional drain and refills to keep fluid clean.

gig229 01-31-2019 01:54 AM

B-Man, I feel your pain. I paid about $4500 to rebuild the trans on my 2009, but I only had 73,000 miles. I was changing fluid every 25,000 miles too so it's not like I didn't take care of the transmission. I think it might have just been the TECM but the transmission shop said that when that goes, other stuff inside the transmission can get screwed up too. There's no way to know unless it is opened. They found burnt clutches and replaced that, the wave plates, torque converter, and other parts. Since I put my family in this vehicle I opted to spend the money and fix it - far cheaper than a new SUV. It shifts great now.

With that being said, GM should be ashamed that these transmissions have so many issues. My brother's Toyota has gone over 200,000 miles with just fluid changes.

dzs3fz 01-31-2019 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gig229 (Post 242777)
B-Man, I feel your pain. I paid about $4500 to rebuild the trans on my 2009, but I only had 73,000 miles. I was changing fluid every 25,000 miles too so it's not like I didn't take care of the transmission. I think it might have just been the TECM but the transmission shop said that when that goes, other stuff inside the transmission can get screwed up too. There's no way to know unless it is opened. They found burnt clutches and replaced that, the wave plates, torque converter, and other parts. Since I put my family in this vehicle I opted to spend the money and fix it - far cheaper than a new SUV. It shifts great now.

With that being said, GM should be ashamed that these transmissions have so many issues. My brother's Toyota has gone over 200,000 miles with just fluid changes.

I Understand your pain. I don't know if it was just plain old dumb luck....but I had 225k miles on my 2008 Enclave with original wave plate and no transmission issues. I did have the beginnings of possible transmission issues at 227k miles and decided to trade up to a nice used 2013. All-in-all......can't complain.

RedSoxFan02116 01-31-2019 07:11 PM

You have some top rate people responding to your question above. I just posted my issue at 91K. It just happened and we're beyond depressed. 91K and the vehicle is basically done. We can put $4,000 into a $11-12K vehicle. After 7 years of ownership and 7 years of GM service, we're out of luck. Based on my current state of mind - I would say that a Buick Enclave is an excellent car to LEASE (not own) for 3-5 years.

More on our issue: https://www.enclaveforum.net/20-engi...-porosity.html

Lalaluuke 02-01-2019 10:40 AM

Maybe, Maybe Not...
 
Chris311
First off.... Rock On with the Grand National. 3.8L turbo V6 still blows my mind for that era.

I just recently purchased a fully loaded 2014 Enclave Premium because of it's people capacity and local service options. With the exception of my 2006 F150, I've only purchased Honda and Toyota vehicles in the past.

Can you expect the 200K + miles without significant issues: not a chance.

They're not built for it. It's a heavy machine with parts made for lighter equipment. The suspension parts in my son's 2006 Accord are far far heavier than the Enclave that's double the weight. While seeming more plush interior, the plastics are cheaper, thinner and the tabs holding them in have broken on mine.

Not to completely poo-poo the Enclave: It's a very quiet, smooth and comfortable ride. The features (that are part of daily driving) are well done. GM has that part mastered. The engine in these is overall really good and doesn't have a lot of service issues (like Pontiac's Quad4..). You can drive for 2 hours non-stop and not feel like it's been a draining experience. No AC problems to report. I've spoken with unrelated mechanics on the transmission and don't believe there is a prolific problem with them.

The key to longevity is proper maintenance and not abusing it. Follow GMs service schedule. Address issues right away. Pay a GM dealer or trusted mechanic (even if it's yourself) to do maintenance and repairs right.
Parts wear out on all vehicles. So a bearing going bad isn't a bad omen necessarily.

In all honesty: I searched for 6-10 months for a used Honda Pilot w/ options in the sub $30K range with low miles and couldn't find it, so I settled on the Enclave.

My autos: 2014 Enclave (60K), 2006 F150 Crew (190K), 2006 Accord V6 Sedan (185K), 2004 Honda Odyssey (240K)


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