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Wanting to know if the 5.1 Surround sytem works only when DVDs are playing or whether it works with other stereo sources such as FM and XM. I have a 5.1 system in my Cadillac STS and it works with all stereo souces. It is great! I hope that the Enclave system is the same but I am not sure because it is only available with the rear Entertainment system. Can anyone answer this? Thanks much!
 
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Well, all 10 speakers are pumping out sound no matter what source you choose (unless you turn on both front and rear audio sources, which cuts the rear speakers on purpose). However, I don't believe any other audio source (FM, sat, CD) encodes true 5.1 surround to send different signals to discrete channels. I think they're all simply 2 channel stereo. So even if the system is capable, the source isn't. The only caveat to this would be DVD audio discs and SACDs (Super Audio CDs). Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...
 
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I haven't tried that yet (don't own a DVD audio disc) but I would assume so.
 

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The Cadillac Bose systems create their own "centerpoint" surround stages using stereo sources. The Enclave system is described similarly as a "Bose 5.1 Surround" system and I was wondering if it is the same technology. If it is, IMHO it is worth the additional price. You think that you are in the center of a concert hall. If however, it is used only for DVD movies, I, for one would pass.
 

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I read the Acdia manual. I think you only get 5.1 sound if you have the DVD player. Only the DVD player can play DVD-Audio source not the NAV system which only has a DVD for Navigation.

Any other thoughts?
 

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With some new real owners on site I thought I would ask this question again or in another way.

What does Ent #4 give other than DVD vs. Ent #3?

Better speakers? Better sound? More flexibility?

Let me know what you like about Ent#4 that Ent #3 did not give other than DVD?
 

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Wanting to know if the 5.1 Surround sytem works only when DVDs are playing or whether it works with other stereo sources such as FM and XM. I have a 5.1 system in my Cadillac STS and it works with all stereo souces. It is great! I hope that the Enclave system is the same but I am not sure because it is only available with the rear Entertainment system. Can anyone answer this? Thanks much!
its the same system both are gm vehicles and whatever the one in your caddy does the one in the enclave will do the same.
 

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Channel 113 on XM broadcasts a signal in 5.1 surround. Does anyone know if the Enclave 5.1 audio system has the capability to receive and play this 5.1 signal? The Buick literature says nothing about this, but it says nothing about the ability to play DVD audio disks either.
 
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its the same system both are gm vehicles and whatever the one in your caddy does the one in the enclave will do the same.
they are both bose, yes, but are two different animals from there, the bose system in the cadi does not need the dvd system to get 5.1, the enclave needs a dvd with 5.1 decoding on it, like a movie in your house, the cadillacs system like baldi ( sorry if i screwed up your name) said create their own 5.1 effect. no the enclave does not have that and only plays in 5.1 when lisning to a 5.1 decoded disc, because there is no centerpoint on the enclaves system.
 

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yes it does play 5.1 dvd audio if you have the dvd player. i tested it.
I was quite please when I put in my NIN DVD Audio and it played with full 5.1 effect. I was disappointed how ever, when I went to a couple retail outlets and hardly anyone is carrying DVD audio disks. They used to have a dedicated section for DVD-A but seem to have phased that out. Doesnt seem like it is going to be here to stay. That is too bad, because it is a cool experience to listen to music in 5.1.
 

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This seems like the most appropriate place to voice my complain.

In short, I think the audio system (I have Ent. Pck #4, so I do have the 5.1) STINKS.

Nor the driver not the copilot get a decent sounding system. The situation is SOMEWHAT improved in the CENTER at the 2nd row.

The difference with my home system, and EVEN with my Mazda 5 sterero, just in 2 channel mode, is so dramatic, I want to cry.

I have tried changing the settings, but there are no settings to make a CRAP system from Bose (I should have known, they are universally well known for over promise and under deliver in the Home theater world).

Did I say the sound system SUCKS already?

By the way, WHICH 10 speakers ? I can find only 8 (tweeters at side front bars, 6 speakers at the sides, and assume the subwoofer is somewhere at an employee's house, because my system has no bass). Mind you, I am not talking about a hip hop jumping car, just about even listening to the notes below 60 Hz ! I am not even asking about the definition my Infinity Intermezzo system gives me at home, but ... worse than a Mazda 5 stereo ?

Trust me, I know what I talking about, I am a serious home theater aficionado. For the money, I am completely disappointed.
 
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This seems like the most appropriate place to voice my complain.

In short, I think the audio system (I have Ent. Pck #4, so I do have the 5.1) STINKS.

Nor the driver not the copilot get a decent sounding system. The situation is SOMEWHAT improved in the CENTER at the 2nd row.

The difference with my home system, and EVEN with my Mazda 5 sterero, just in 2 channel mode, is so dramatic, I want to cry.

I have tried changing the settings, but there are no settings to make a CRAP system from Bose (I should have known, they are universally well known for over promise and under deliver in the Home theater world).

Did I say the sound system SUCKS already?

By the way, WHICH 10 speakers ? I can find only 8 (tweeters at side front bars, 6 speakers at the sides, and assume the subwoofer is somewhere at an employee's house, because my system has no bass). Mind you, I am not talking about a hip hop jumping car, just about even listening to the notes below 60 Hz ! I am not even asking about the definition my Infinity Intermezzo system gives me at home, but ... worse than a Mazda 5 stereo ?

Trust me, I know what I talking about, I am a serious home theater aficionado. For the money, I am completely disappointed.
i really have to disagree with you, i have bose in my yukon and it is the best system i have ever had in a car. i also have a 6.1 home theatra in my house and it sounds AWSOME when watching a movie,and lisning to music we also have bose speakers wired all through our house even out side, and they are the best outdoor speakers i have ever had, even have a four speaker bose system on my boat and i had a polk that didnt soun 1/4 as good, i think theres somthing wrong with your ears.

and speaker placement is, two to the left and right of the front windsheild in the pillers, 1 center speaker in the dash, 2 in the front doors, 2 in the rear doors, 2 in the third row, and the sub woofer in the center con
 

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me said:
This seems like the most appropriate place to voice my complain.

In short, I think the audio system (I have Ent. Pck #4, so I do have the 5.1) STINKS.

Nor the driver not the copilot get a decent sounding system. The situation is SOMEWHAT improved in the CENTER at the 2nd row.

The difference with my home system, and EVEN with my Mazda 5 sterero, just in 2 channel mode, is so dramatic, I want to cry.

I have tried changing the settings, but there are no settings to make a CRAP system from Bose (I should have known, they are universally well known for over promise and under deliver in the Home theater world).

Did I say the sound system SUCKS already?

By the way, WHICH 10 speakers ? I can find only 8 (tweeters at side front bars, 6 speakers at the sides, and assume the subwoofer is somewhere at an employee's house, because my system has no bass). Mind you, I am not talking about a hip hop jumping car, just about even listening to the notes below 60 Hz ! I am not even asking about the definition my Infinity Intermezzo system gives me at home, but ... worse than a Mazda 5 stereo ?

Trust me, I know what I talking about, I am a serious home theater aficionado. For the money, I am completely disappointed.
The location of the two speakers you could not find:
1. on the front dash - in center.
2. sub woofer is hidden in the center console.
 

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Glad to not be an aficionado. I have never had anything but a factory system and the Lambda sound is fine to me... an improvement over anything I have had previous to this. I just don't think my car needs to be a theater experience. That's what theater's are for, right?
 

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My impression so far goes for "decent." Power is a bit underwhelming, but with such a quiet ride it seems adequate unless you really just like to jam out. "Quality" is very dependent on the source. A good CD sounds miles above most XM stations, and the rare DVD-A disc improves staging dramatically.

I noticed factory settings were way to rear biased, so you need to adjust fader to the front to get proper balance. However, that seems to affect total system bass output (I'm guessing the 4 rear door speakers vs. the front 2 door speakers is mostly responsible for that).

I agree about the utter lack of bass from a system that is supposed to have a sub. I often wonder if it is even properly connected. When I install the coastaletech stuff in the next week or so, I plan to have a look at it.

In short, definitely not the best car system I've ever heard... ****, not even the best Bose car system I've ever heard, but it seems perfectly adequate to fulfill its role in my life. I can always come home to Lexicon, Magnepan, and 2500 watts of Rotel power after a drive. ;)
 

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Most annoying thing about the surround sound issue (assuming that there is not a simple fix that I have just missed - anyone feel free to enlighten me) is that it takes away our option of simply fading the movie to the rear speakers when traveling with the kids (but not wanting to use the headphones). Our kids have never liked the headphones so in all of our other vehicles we have just faded to the rear, but it appears that with this system you lose a lot because of the dialogue running through the front center speaker when in Dolby....

Am I missing a configuration to just watch a movie in stereo so I can fade it to rear L/R only? Otherwise this is a minor annoyance if you happen to be like us.....
 

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Rollin thunder ....

I am sad to have to be the one to burst your bubble. Actually, maybe I am not the right person to do so, but you might learn a little by diverting some time to visit http://www.avsforum.com/, a site that consistently makes the list of one of the best communities of the internet.

The center speaker must have very weak horizontal dispersion, OR Bose did not decide to grace us Enclave owners with Prologic II or IIx surround from music. In both cases, there's no imaging, the mids are recessed and not natural sounding and they try to cover that with an over balanced treble.

In regards to Bose making good car sound systems, admitedly they have done a decent job with some models ... other than the Enclave ... still under Infinity, and of course, Mark Levinson or Dynaudio ... miles away.

There IS something wrong with my ears, all right ... they are used to GOOD sound.

Mama2girls, I have to agree with you. I wish I wasn't either ... please NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstance, go to an audition of a real high fidelity system ... like Revel Speakers powered by Levinson electronics, not even Paradigm Studio Speakers powered by Arcam or Marantz Electronics ... not even the lowest bar of an entry Harman Kardon receiver powering Infinity speakers ... you CAN visit Rollin Thunder's "Home Theater" and you might still keep your happiness ... if you don't think hearing low bass, mid bass, low mids or highs at their actual level is important at all. And you will still believe that Bose´s adverstising is true, that they truly are better than entry level to the world of audio.

On the other hand, why should ONLY my kids get the 5.1 experience? great DVD-Audio music, like, say, Rumours by Fleetwood Mac in 5.1 DVD-Audio is an experience that I would like to have ... or at least a stereo CD sounding decent from time to time.

I know this post will rub a lot of you guys the wrong way and you will think I am a snob, but this is not the case. I have never until this vehicle, invested so much on a car, and thus the standards I apply for it are high ... just like some others find a millimiter here or there misaligned something worth complaining about in a $40,000 vehicle, I think that a $3,000 sound system ought to sound nice to the driver.
 
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