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I was thinking how as Canadians we get screwed on everything. Even before the US$ started losing its value. Cause we always paid more here in Canada.

I was talking to my cousin who bought a car two years ago from Buffalo, NY and she still got a better deal than she would have received in Toronto. My brother-in-law who lived in NJ and now lives in Ottawa says that he never buys big ticket anything from here. He gets his big ticket items from the US.
One thing that we (consumers) forget is that we have the strength to change these things more than we know. It’s our hard earned money that all the manufactures/companies want. They probably hate the internet because we get share our/their good & bad on here. Canadians should boycott companies that knowingly try screw us over, like GM. GM has a lot of ‘DEMO’ vehicles they are willing sell to us (with high mileages like 15,000 miles) for the full price. Cause we can buy used GM veh’s. We are treated like "second class" citizens. I respect Toyota because they were/is upfront on bringing veh’s that are bought from US as they will respect their warranty in Canada. Please check this video from Driving Television. http://drivingtv.canada.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=452 DTV has two more videos on this "issue".
GM had a dealership call me the other day. I went to the dealership and saw the MSRP of an Enclave CD$70,000=approx US$70,000 (including taxes) and all the screwing over we get from the dealerships. That's almost $20,000+ difference on something that is exactly the same in both countries. It Doesn't make any sense. Not now, not ever!
I look it this way, businesses needs our hard earned money to survive then we should be selective on businesses (who doesn’t try to screw us). We all know the hardships that we go through to make this money. The people who suffer are our families because we have to work harder, longer and sometimes both parents/persons should work to make payments. And our family, kids, friends, pets suffer by us not being able to spend our time & attention to them. We are not asking for anything free but be fair.
Our fellow consumers in the US please lets me know what you think is right. I personally think that the reason why US consumers get lower pricing is because of its citizens. The govt/companies/Businesses/World businesses/world economy is suffering today because the US consumers’ are not spending their hard earned money. Hence the stimulus cheque(approx US$600 for each adult from the govt) they are going to receive to spend. Do you know that they (govt/companies/Businesses) are scared that the citizens might not spend that money? Americians have the power and they use it. Bravo!! (The pundit’s advice Americans to spend this Stimulus cheque on American products to really help the economy). See the power of US consumers!

We as Canadians take it lying down. We should stop this and not take this crap.

Comment away! Thank you for this forum.
 

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So boycott GM. Even with the CD at parity with the US you are still whining.
 

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With the weakening of the US dollar as compared to all currency including Canadian, I don't understand the huge difference in pricing either. You said 20,000, but it is $30,000 different. There has to be more to this than just companies screwing Canadians? Are there import laws by your Govt. that drive up the costs? I don't get it. I certainly would not buy one for that, it is definitely not worth it unless your average salaries are correspondingly higher than US. You must be able to get imports from England without this problem can't you?
 

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GM is not the only one putting the screws to Canadians. Acura is charging 59,000 for MDX with Tech package.
Isn't the MDX made in Canada? They charge 1,800 for Freight/PDI :eek: The question you have to ask is what is the corporate income tax in Canada? If the tax rate is very high, that tax is passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices.
 

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You asked for a comment: While I have limited knowledge about practices in Canada, I do know that government regulations have a huge part to play in medical care and in other areas there. Oh, for a time when citizens of both countries would realize there is NOTHING that is free from a government! The absurd U.S. "free" $600 will likely cost us all three times that amount. Governments can't spend money they do not have -- it comes from someplace, folks! The federal government prints more money or increases taxes to dole out entitlements to individuals who come, hat in hand, for their handout at the government trough. These "incentives" will only lead to inflation and will NOT stimulate the economy. A comedian wisely remarked if the United States "achieves" socialized medicine, people in Canada will have no place to go for health care.

Perhaps it would be helpful for you and other Canadian residents to examine what is behind the higher costs -- look at government intrusion and control and investigate just how much is loaded into the cost on the Canadian side. Am I a huge supporter of GM? No, but I'm considering a vehicle from them while grinding my teeth at the idea that up to $4000 per vehicle is added to cover padded union pensions -- nothing is guaranteed for me in private practice.

I won't apologize for the rant, as some do. I wish people would take a hard look at the fact that entitlements of ANY kind cost hard working people outrageous amouts of hard-earned income. Some of the above are needed and just, but most are NOT.

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Thank for the replies!

nickyd said:
So boycott GM. Even with the CD at parity with the US you are still whining.
I'm not complaining about currencies being in parity but about the huge price differences. I understand the taxes etc that is added but 20,000+?

bsox said:
With the weakening of the US dollar as compared to all currency including Canadian, I don't understand the huge difference in pricing either. You said 20,000, but it is $30,000 different. There has to be more to this than just companies screwing Canadians? Are there import laws by your Govt. that drive up the costs? I don't get it. I certainly would not buy one for that, it is definitely not worth it unless your average salaries are correspondingly higher than US. You must be able to get imports from England without this problem can't you?
I am not sure & I don't think its $30,000 difference but I am not going to find out. My calculation is from what I got from the dealership. There is no import taxes for domestic veh's (the big 3 three). I personally don't think the salaries of Canadians have gone up by any means. And I am not sure about the importing cars from the UK. Supposedly, cars made for the US market are different (though many of these veh's are made or manufactured here) from the Canadian market. Then they would surely have a problem with right hand drive. Here people seem to go for imported cars from Japan like the Nissan Skylark, SX240, Nissan Patrol & some Toyota Supra’s, Celica & Crown.

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GM is not the only one putting the screws to Canadians. Acura is charging 59,000 for MDX with Tech package.
Isn't the MDX made in Canada? They charge 1,800 for Freight/PDI :eek: The question you have to ask is what is the corporate income tax in Canada? If the tax rate is very high, that tax is passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices.

I know that the Honda's & Acura's are made here in Canada. But the even with all the taxes i don't think the prices make any senses! But you are right including the Toyota Corolla's that are made in Oshawa, Ontario are about $10,000 more.

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Perhaps it would be helpful for you and other Canadian residents to examine what is behind the higher costs -- look at government intrusion and control and investigate just how much is loaded into the cost on the Canadian side. Am I a huge supporter of GM? No, but I'm considering a vehicle from them while grinding my teeth at the idea that up to $4000 per vehicle is added to cover padded union pensions -- nothing is guaranteed for me in private practice.
I won't apologize for the rant, as some do. I wish people would take a hard look at the fact that entitlements of ANY kind cost hard working people outrageous amouts of hard-earned income. Some of the above are needed and just, but most are NOT.
BB
Nothing is free in a country where one pays taxes. If one wants true free healthcare then move to the Middle East (no taxes) but i would rather pay taxes or pay for healthcare than deal with the crap there. In Canada, health care isn't free. We pay for it and the citizens who don't pay for it get free care. My wife is a RN and she sees the crap that goes on. We really don't get the best care here. One needs to have insurance to get certain cares here in Canada.
If one is in the low income bracket then universal health care is great. Honestly, people who pay for it doesn't really get much, IMO

I am not against GM, by any means. All I am saying is that Canadians doesn’t need to take the unfairness between the two countries. All the companies that have this price discrepancy & also not letting Canadians get a deal in the US is what I am talking about.

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Some of the above are needed and just, but most are NOT. BB
Please explain if you can
 

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"Please explain if you can"

I evaluate patients on a regular basis, some of whom are in need of various benefits and I have testified in court in support of their need for care to varying degrees. However, from my experience 95% of those seeking entitlements of different kinds do not need them. In fact, from a psychological perspective, when a society moves away from rewards gleaned from dedication and hard work to an expectation that government should supply all of their needs (i.e., government OWES me healthcare, an income, childcare, etc., etc.), then we are not only robbed of initiative and self-reliance, but have the spark of human drive ripped from us. Sadly, Western civilization has moved dramatically towards a welfare state mentality which, in my view, inevitably leads to decay in goods and services while destroying human spirit. I could go on forever with examples, but I'll leave it here. I will add in conclusion that no socialistic society (relying on government to meet all needs) in the history of the world (compare early colonial "utopian" settlements in North America with the fall of the Soviet Union) has ever succeeded. The quality of education both in effort and outcome has gone downhill for over 40 years in the United States, while spending outrageous amounts of money on it in the process. In summary, the quality of life for Americans, Canadians and others will ultimately be negatively impacted in proportion to the amount of intrusion by federal governments. They exist to serve and protect, not to manage our lives. The cost of automobiles and other items is impacted by that involvement. Think about it.

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Thank you for that! I think we are way of topic here.

I am not asking for a free veh. I am not asking for charity. My wife & I work very hard and we are willing to spend our money. We are willing to pay but will not accept some company's policy just because we are Canadians and no Canadian should to get a deal. If a company is going to subject us to their policy then Canadian consumers should stand against this policy and not buying their products. If a Canadian is willing to spend his/her money and go to the US and get a deal then he/she should be allowed to.

Till the govt's of the two nations says otherwise.
 

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jaimonj,

I wasn't referring to you in any way. I was supporting you, in fact, by railing against the kinds of policies that make it difficult for hardworking people like you and your wife to purchase an Enclave. I never had the impression that you were asking for anything for free -- but people who are make it more difficult for people like you when the government believes the government is the answer to every problem. Obviously, I have very strong views about the causes of some of these issues, but no offense of any kind intended. Your original post is appreciated; after my response, I think I'll sleep better tonight after venting the "bad humours!" I hope we'll both be posting about our Enclaves at some point.

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None taken, BlurryBill! I know what you mean! My wife & I work hard and want to get ahead in our lives. We want to give our children the best that we can and I want to teach my children to be hard & smart citizens and not expect anything from anyone, like the govt. But will teach them to not take any crap from anyone (person/persons/govt/brand/company). That's the way I was raised!

The only reason why I am sad about this whole situation is because the Buick Enclave kind of veh is the perfect veh for us as a family. I think the price paid for it in the US is the justified price and I am willing to pay for it. And I am willing to come to the US & pay and you know the rest. Which I believe is prejudice against Canadians.

I hope we'll be will be posting about our Enclaves someday, too! hahahahaha

Jaimon
 

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Maybe I misunderstood your first post, but if the Enclave in Can. is 70,000, a very well equipped AWD here is 40,000 which is a 30,000 difference if I can do math...

BB: Written like the very intelligent person you are, agree whole heartedly...despite my mommy issues :cheers:
 

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So you are getting screwed by US and Japanese auto manufacturers. I know, just buy from Canadian auto manufacturers. Wait, there aren't any? Hmmm, maybe someone with an entreprenurial bent can tap into this nascent frustrated market. Hey it isn't that much of a stretch. The last time the English screwed us on the price of tea we kicked them out of the country and started drinking coffee. ;D
 

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Maybe I misunderstood your first post, but if the Enclave in Can. is 70,000, a very well equipped AWD here is 40,000 which is a 30,000 difference if I can do math...
You tell me where is this dealership that sells Enclave CXL AWD (with everything) for $40,000. From what I have seen its comes to around 45,000 + taxes, import application fee, registeration & transportation. Its comes to around $50,000 when its all said and done. Hence the $20,000 difference.

tuberosa said:
So you are getting screwed by US and Japanese auto manufacturers. I know, just buy from Canadian auto manufacturers. Wait, there aren't any?
We just build them all here for the Japanese & the American. Oh Yeah and pay higher for them.
 

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jaimonj said:
You tell me where is this dealership that sells Enclave CXL AWD (with everything) for $40,000. From what I have seen its comes to around 45,000 + taxes, import application fee, registeration & transportation. Its comes to around $50,000 when its all said and done. Hence the $20,000 difference.

We just build them all here for the Japanese & the American. Oh Yeah and pay higher for them.
Hey, I am just trying to help and support your position that you pay way too much. First off I said a nicely equipped Enclave not with everything. Look below on my post to see what I have, it came to a little over 40,000. Believe me or not, plus I did not pay an import application fee. Good luck, I guess I can't be of any help to you. Love your national anthem though
 

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Bsox, First thank you for your support.
Only reason why I would like a veh with "everything" is because I tend to keep my veh's for a while. So, might as well get everything and not regret anything later.
 

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I was looking hard agt the enclave 6 months ago and was frustrated by the price difference. I even tried to purchase from the US. I live 5 mins fromthe border but GM put a stop to that. I decided to upgrade my kitchen for the same money and the value of will not go down by 70% in 5 years. Maybe by the time I'm ready there will be a change in policy and pricing (Ha).

So I'm in a sense I am boycotting GM and others. I purchased my granite top in the Us for at least a 35% saving from Canadian pricing with the same granite.
 

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I wish I had that much money to spend on my kitchen :)

I know we won't be purchasing a new car until this issue is resolved. I hope they realize how much automakers will lose if they don't act soon. I bet a lot of people who need a new car will simply go to the automakers who have reduced their Canadian pricing to match the US pricing instead of going for what they really want.
 

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I think that's exactly what I am going to doing. Good choice to upgrade your kitchen and also being smart about buying your granite from the US. I don't blame you. Cause my wife has been asking me to look at other brand vehs (which will not lose its value as fast as) & or upgrade some items at home and adjust with the current veh for the time being. I have to make some serious financial decisions about who is going to get my money now and down the road.
I think when GM exec look out north of their boardroom window on the 23rd floor, they see Canadians walking bend over. I think its about time we stood up and looked south. :thumb: Not exactly holding out our thumbs! LOL

I heard Subaru I will accept Canadians. I will be checking the Tribeca one of these days.
 
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