[osli]

We have our CXL on order with DVD/Nav package, and I've been trying to figure out how the array of factory options, dealer accessorie, and user add-ons work and might interact. Lots of questions, I know the forum is young... hopefully in the two months or so it takes to get our vehicle we can work through some of these.

First off... the headrest mounted DVD players. We really like the factory flip down for third row viewing, and the possibility of front nav screen DVD viewing for front passenger, but with the reality of multiple children on trips wanting to watch different things the headrest system looks appealing. In particular, the Revolution III from invision industries with TV tuner looks pretty slick. Now the questions: (1) The Revolution III has hidden aux video inputs - does the factory DVD provide an accessible (even if some work is required) video output that can be connected to the headrest units, such that they play the same things as the factory displays if desired? (2) With the factory units being (I think) IR wireless headphones, and the Revolution series also using IR, would there be interference if all three were playing different movies? (3) How many wireless headphones come with the factory DVD option?

Next up... standard OnStar question from someone who has never had the pleasure of owning a GM vehicle, much less a recent one. Does the new 'Turn-by-Turn' OnStar navigation integrate with the factory navigation screen, such that directions are displayed as well as dictated after the information is sent to the vehicle? Or is it voice directions only, even in vehicles with navigation packages?

Also... Bluetooth cell phone connectivity. I read some vague reference to Bluetooth being in the Cadillac STS, perhaps not enabled or functioning properly? (1) Do those vehicles share the same Nav/DVD/electronics platform as the Enclave? (2) Is there any possibility of unlocking a factory Bluetooth functionality? (3) If not, any recommendations for a good, full featured, tasteful aftermarket kit that might be appropriate for and integrate well with the Enclave?

Next... the DICE iPod kit. I can only presume it isn't quite ready yet. Looking at their site, it looks as if the front touchscreen should provide iPod control, perhaps the steering wheel mounted controls as well. Does anyone have more information about this or any direct experience?

Finally... the GMLockPick stuff. This is all new to me. We certainly want to have destination and catalog scrolling available while driving for the passenger to enter, as well as DVD viewing for the passenger. I see that there is a new version that has both DVD/Nav and OnStar lockpick functions. Lots of questions. (1) If an aftermarket Bluetooth kit is installed and connected to the OnStar LockPick, would that interfere with other OnStar functions if the subscription is maintained? (2) Has anyone done that (bluetooth and OnStar integration) before, and does it work well, and is there a need to interface with the OnStar system at all (seeing as how a simple T-harness can integrate aftermarket kits with the radio, muting it and routing the phone through factory speakers)? (3) Would both the DICE iPod kit and GMLockPick be able to be installed together? It seems the LockPick provides another video input... is that the one taken up by the factory rear camera, or an additional one that might accept say iPod video or a headrest DVD video out?

I'm sure there were more questions, but that's all I can remember for now. Basically, I'd like the factory DVD and headrest DVD systems to be able to play 3 different movies if desired, or for all to play from the factory DVD if desired. I also like the iPod on the touchscreen possibility, and would love an easy to use hands free Bluetooth phone option. And of course, I'd like that all to work whether in park, drive, or warp9 so I'm wondering how seamless the LockPick requirement will be with a suite of accessories and factory electronics.

Thanks in advance, and I've already answered a ton of my other questions on this forum!

 

[mss42]

as for the headrest dvd (revolution 3) you need to find out if your dealer uses that company and if not can they still get it for you. that particular system can accomodate up too 4 dvd units and all can watch same video if they want too. the aux video inputs are right on the front so they can attach a gamecube or xbox or something like that.... there is a link on another thread intitled 'Here's the info on the headrest dvds' or something like that for more information.

 

[osli]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

Thanks for the reply.

I'll have to check on where my dealer gets accessories from. That actually worries me, because when I asked about a headrest DVD system the guy responded by yelling to someone over his shoulder "chuck... ya' know much about them headrest DVD systems?... huh?... naw, me neither" and then informed me that "we haven't put one of them things on a vehicle in years."

lol. I wonder if I could take my Enclave to another dealer to have something like that installed?

I followed the other thread to the invision industries page. As for the AUX inputs, they all have front inputs but the Revolution III mentions an extra "hidden" video input. I'm hoping that if the GM factory DVD/Nav electronics provide an output I (we) can get at (like going to the roof display or something) that it can be used to drive the headrest displays.

 

[Joe-drum]

i have nav and onstar yhey dont seem to work together but, i tried ontar turn by turn for the **** of it and it's dead on accurate and probably way more up to date .i live in a barnd new development and it literally took me to my address and told me what side my house was on .
also onstar shows you the street names and how many miles a turn coming up is ,on the l.e.d. screen above your speedometer .i thaought that was really cool!
when i was buying the car the girl selling me actually tried telling me not to buy the nav and spend the 16 extra a month for the onstar .it works out across 8yrs but, i'm a tech nerd and had to have the touch screen etc.......
hope this helps alittle

 

[osli]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

Thanks a lot, that completely answers one of my questions. I have a feeling my wife will want to keep the OnStar subscription for the navigation and other stuff. Like you, I wanted the Nav/touch screen for DVD playback, rear camera, iPod control etc. as much as for navigation.

Too bad GM hasn't integrated the systems... seems like the OnStar satellites are sending coordinates, and the vehicle is using GPS to track your position relative to the direction list; it shouldn't be that hard to have OnStar input the address and/or coordinates into the touch screen nav software, disabling voice commands etc. but leaving the map.

 

[kimdvm]

We have our CXL on order with DVD/Nav package, and I've been trying to figure out how the array of factory options, dealer accessorie, and user add-ons work and might interact. Lots of questions, I know the forum is young... hopefully in the two months or so it takes to get our vehicle we can work through some of these.

First off... the headrest mounted DVD players. We really like the factory flip down for third row viewing, and the possibility of front nav screen DVD viewing for front passenger, but with the reality of multiple children on trips wanting to watch different things the headrest system looks appealing. In particular, the Revolution III from invision industries with TV tuner looks pretty slick. Now the questions: (1) The Revolution III has hidden aux video inputs - does the factory DVD provide an accessible (even if some work is required) video output that can be connected to the headrest units, such that they play the same things as the factory displays if desired? (2) With the factory units being (I think) IR wireless headphones, and the Revolution series also using IR, would there be interference if all three were playing different movies? (3) How many wireless headphones come with the factory DVD option?

Next up... standard OnStar question from someone who has never had the pleasure of owning a GM vehicle, much less a recent one. Does the new 'Turn-by-Turn' OnStar navigation integrate with the factory navigation screen, such that directions are displayed as well as dictated after the information is sent to the vehicle? Or is it voice directions only, even in vehicles with navigation packages?

Also... Bluetooth cell phone connectivity. I read some vague reference to Bluetooth being in the Cadillac STS, perhaps not enabled or functioning properly? (1) Do those vehicles share the same Nav/DVD/electronics platform as the Enclave? (2) Is there any possibility of unlocking a factory Bluetooth functionality? (3) If not, any recommendations for a good, full featured, tasteful aftermarket kit that might be appropriate for and integrate well with the Enclave?

Next... the DICE iPod kit. I can only presume it isn't quite ready yet. Looking at their site, it looks as if the front touchscreen should provide iPod control, perhaps the steering wheel mounted controls as well. Does anyone have more information about this or any direct experience?

Finally... the GMLockPick stuff. This is all new to me. We certainly want to have destination and catalog scrolling available while driving for the passenger to enter, as well as DVD viewing for the passenger. I see that there is a new version that has both DVD/Nav and OnStar lockpick functions. Lots of questions. (1) If an aftermarket Bluetooth kit is installed and connected to the OnStar LockPick, would that interfere with other OnStar functions if the subscription is maintained? (2) Has anyone done that (bluetooth and OnStar integration) before, and does it work well, and is there a need to interface with the OnStar system at all (seeing as how a simple T-harness can integrate aftermarket kits with the radio, muting it and routing the phone through factory speakers)? (3) Would both the DICE iPod kit and GMLockPick be able to be installed together? It seems the LockPick provides another video input... is that the one taken up by the factory rear camera, or an additional one that might accept say iPod video or a headrest DVD video out?

I'm sure there were more questions, but that's all I can remember for now. Basically, I'd like the factory DVD and headrest DVD systems to be able to play 3 different movies if desired, or for all to play from the factory DVD if desired. I also like the iPod on the touchscreen possibility, and would love an easy to use hands free Bluetooth phone option. And of course, I'd like that all to work whether in park, drive, or warp9 so I'm wondering how seamless the LockPick requirement will be with a suite of accessories and factory electronics.

Thanks in advance, and I've already answered a ton of my other questions on this forum!

:-\ I will be having an aftermarket bluetooth and the GM Super Lockpick installed on my Denali this week; I'll let you know how it all works together but also be sure to check with Coastal TEch to see if they have made the Lockpick compatible with the Enclave yet.

:angryfire: It positively burns me that (thanks to attorneys and our screwed-up legal system), GM disables functions of the car, and we have to spend time and money to reactivate those functions. We use our NAV menu on trips, which is when I have a passenger. Shouldn't it be my responsibility to pay attention while I am driving, not someone else's (thanks for letting me vent :-[)

The stereo installer I spoke with did say the last few Lockpicks he has installed have worked well (a few months ago, they had problems with them... even shutting down one car... but they have evolved according to all of the sources I could find). You might be really pushing your luck, though, to add the Lockpick, bluetooth, plus 2 other aftermarkets (DICE and extra AV source) all to a radio... which is really a control center of your car.

 

[osli]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

Thanks for the info and words of wisdom. Let me know how your install goes.

I'm really curious about the bluetooth/OnStar interaction, as that is something I'm pretty certain I want. That takes care of the DVD/Nav unlocking in the process when using the super lockpick.

As for the headrest DVD, I can live with them being totally separate as they will be primarily for children wanting to watch their own age appropriate movies etc. on trips. And I could live without full iPod integration and settle for just plugging iPod audio in through the AUX input up front. So I'll probably do the lockpick/bluetooth first, and then work my way through the others if I don't get info that indicates it is a no-go.

 

[Joe-drum]

i'm a little confused here .
i'm not seeing anything being locked outon my navigation on my enclave when in drive.

my dvd play screen blacks out but, keeps the sound going but as for the navigation,
i'm still able to pick points of interest etc.....am i missing something ?

 

[kimdvm]

Joe-drum:

When the vehicle is moving, there is a lot you can't do as far as entering things on the screen. As I recall, you can add destination and pull up the first screen of previous addresses, but you can' scroll through it. You also can't get to your address book, search POI, etc. Many of these things are something a passenger would typically do on a trip.. for example we wanted to scroll down to POST OFFICE and find the nearest one, but we had to pull over to do those kind of entries.

Similar for XM menu; you can pull up the categories while moving but can't scroll through the menu.

You might be able to improve function somewhat by using the voice commands for your NAV (I did set up voice tags for a couple of destinations). However, this has weaknesses... anything you are voice-tagging you are probably not going to need directions to more than once or twice. It's the things you suddenly decide you are looking for that you try to punch in and have to pull over for. (also, my voice system doesn't understand me real well. I have no problem with newer voice activation systems on cell phones, phone menus, etc but this one just doesn't get my speech and it's quite annoying).

 

[dwhsd]

Hi all,

Regarding the Lockpick for the Enclave. I sent an email to Coastaltech:


Here was my question to them:

"I am considering buying a 2008 Buick Enclave. Does your Lockpick support the Enclave? It is built on the same platform as the GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook. I believe these 3 SUV's will be big sellers for GM."

They said, "sorry no.
Please let me know if I may assist you further : )
Kelley".

 

[kimdvm]

I had the "Super Lockpick" installed on my Denali yesterday along with a Parrot Evolution 3100. So far it looks like everything is great. (the installer commented that more has become "automatic" on these than the ones he previously installed). The Super Lockpick is the Gen 3 Lockpick plus the OnStar Lockpick.

Now, DVDs play no the front screen when you switch to that as your audio source; the picture is no longer blocked out when moving. There was no special button-pushing or menus necessary to get that to happen.

When you use the NAV, the extra features are unlocked by tapping the mute button on the steering wheel 4 times. Then they stay unlocked, as far as I could tell, for the duration of the drive.

The Parrot is working well (we tried it with 3 different cell phones). (you need the OnStar lockpick to use this properly with a GM Vehicle). When I hit the call button on the Parrot, the stereo was muted while I gave voice commands and while I was on the call. The persons on the other end said I sounded quite clear, though I did sound "like I was on a speakerphone". The only thing this did not do like the actual OnStar calls was slow down the blower fan (if the blower is on high when you use OnStar, it backs off the blower, which is nice but not a huge deal.). BTW, the installer did say these Parrots don't always work well with Treos but hopefully that compatibility has improved.....

Hopefully for all of you, Coastal Tech will make the Lockpick compatible with the Enclave soon.

Happy driving!

 

[osli]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

I sent an email to coastaletech as well.

The response I received indicated that the superlockpick should work with the 08 Enclave but was not officially supported. They also indicated that the lockpick would provide an extra video input even if factory DVD and backup camera were installed (I think I'd want personal confirmation of this from someone who has installed one in such a setup). From their site, it also seems like automatic unlocking is only for 06 and older models, and that the newer ones may still require some button pushes to unlock DVD in motion (not a big deal since watching a DVD is such a deliberate thing anyway... I'd rather XM and Nav functions be automatically unlocked as that would get used much more often).

What I didn't receive any answers for was how the OnStar integration/pick works. Do the Parrot and Motorola units use their own microphone, or can the factory vehicle microphone be used (which would presumably give better pickup being specifically designed and placed for the Enclave interior geometry and conditions)? What happens if you try to make a call using the OnStar button?

 

[kimdvm]

Some more news:
1) I do have one problem after my installation. There is severe interference on my AM radio. This could have been the installers, not the Lockpick, but either way it's a risk of messing with electronics. The installers are going to check it next week and see if they can sort it out. I also sent an email to Coastal Tech. I'll keep you posted....

2) I just saw that Coastal Tech has added an IPod Lockpick that you can supposedly use along with the Super Lockpick, to give you an IPOD menu on your nav screen. This should make "osli" happy!

Kim

 

[osli]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

woot woot! got to go check out iPod lockpick!

 

[osli]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

Just looked at the iPod lockpick... pretty slick. Certainly does what I want so that seems to be at least one viable option. Combo price with the superlockpick isn't too bad either (<$400 for phone unlock, dvd/nav/xm unlock, and iPod integration). I'd have to see the DICE software and coastaletech software in a little more detail to see which is the better user interface, but the latter would probably avoid any issues with multiple things going on at once.

 

[osli]

I'm not sure I understand. That's more than the price direct from coastaletech. Are you saying that is an installed price? Or did I miss something somewhere? And what are the pics showing? Are you saying you've already installed that combination? If so, any thoughts on installation and/or functioning?

 

[dfc101a]

The price from us should have been $639.00 for the Enclave model.
This is without installation and we have installed the combo into a new Enclave for a customer. It works exactly as advertized.

As Osli asked, any comments on the installation? Were you able to re-use the Onstar mic(s) for the bluetooth functionality. If not, where did you place the mic(s)?

 

[Guest]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

that price is a bit much if you ask me. it more than my local best buy wants for all of it, and i checked coastaletech and it is also cheaper, and personaly this is just a little pet peave of mine, but i think you should ask the admin before advertising for your self on forums.

 

[miacom]

I HAVE REMOVED MY POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT VOLUNTARILY. Answer about microphone: It does not work with the OnStar mike. The very small mike can be placed in many areas of the cabin, and totally out of sight. My apologies for trying to inform Enclave owners that we have the 2 pieces of equipment, and that we have installed it successfully, and the price from coastaletech is not cheaper. get your facts straight. The Raytel 5000vi (Video integrated) alone is $379.00. Locally in Miami the stereo shops are getting $800.00 and up plus installation. I did not expect some Enclave owner to be so cut throat. Also, MEASURE OF A MAN- JACK INGRAM from youtube is really in line with GM Enclaves. hno:

 

[Guest]

Re: Navigation, Onstar, Factory DVD, Accessory DVD, Bluetooth, iPod, and Lockpic

I HAVE REMOVED MY POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT VOLUNTARILY. Answer about microphone: It does not work with the OnStar mike. The very small mike can be placed in many areas of the cabin, and totally out of sight. My apologies for trying to inform Enclave owners that we have the 2 pieces of equipment, and that we have installed it successfully, and the price from coastaletech is not cheaper. get your facts straight. The Raytel 5000vi (Video integrated) alone is $379.00. Locally in Miami the stereo shops are getting $800.00 and up plus installation. I did not expect some Enclave owner to be so cut throat. Also, MEASURE OF A MAN- JACK INGRAM from youtube is really in line with GM Enclaves. hno:

wait a min, im not advertising with my sig, its not like i make money with that, so dont give me that crap. Also i dont mind the advertising, i just think that if you want to, you should pay admin for the use of his site, kinda help support him.