My main point was that today's vehicles, anything built after about 2006+ give or take, will just not last like the "old days". Sure, you can keep a car going, but the components are getting more and more expensive, and last a whole lot fewer miles/time than in the past due to a lot of different factors. It will probably take another 10 years for people to get this new way of thinking because for now, yes....there still are vehicles out there with over 200K miles. My sister has a 2001 Expedition with that kind of mileage....I keep wondering why they don't dump that, but then realize for them....they may not want to get into something newer where they would have to be changing their way of thinking as well. My statements are still a bit general, and I'm not saying EVERY vehicle out there won't last, but if you get into something much more expensive (BMW, Volvo, for instance) there becomes even other issues you need to deal with concerning cost of ownership. You would have to keep very good records and compare several cars over the course of 20+ years to see this trend of component failure earlier, and/or things costing more to replace. (unless for some reason we start to see a trend swing back the other way), but I'm not forecasting that....things are getting cheaper and cheaper, just way too many environmental/economic pressures to build things with materials that are not as strong as before. Not everyone will buy into my ideas here, but it's my best guess to how the trend is going. Take anything, vehicles, appliances around your house, electronics, they just don't last anymore....sad, really. If someone comes on this forum in 10 years from now and reads what I'm saying, I very well could be correct in my ideas....but again, they are only that.... forecasting ideas based on what I'm seeing a trend as of now. Sorry for the long winded response here. back to your wife's vehicle:mcqueenslm said:Thanks for the advice. I'll have her check into it, she travels allot from Oklahoma to Kentucky visiting family (hence the high mileage on the Enclave) so I'm not sure how many miles I would get on a loaner (the lease vehicle) without paying more than I should. I'm just not sure how to "dump" the other one, KBB says its worth $9000 but not with the timing chain going out and the transmission acting up. I do not mean any disrespect but as for the new car mileage comment, I have to 100% disagree with you. I really dislike having a car payment so I maintain the cars I buy and drive them until the wheels fall off which is way more than 80,000 miles. I can easily walk my street and point out high mileage cars that are still running with no major issues. Before I bought my 2011 Fiesta I drove a 1994 Bronco (VIN: 1FMEU15H1RLB30987) with over 250,000, no issues except ac compressor and it guzzled gas. And my wife drove a 2002 Saturn VUE AWD (VIN:5GZCZ63B22S813445) with almost 300,000 miles, still had cold AC. But as I stated before, she wants to keep it so the final decision maker is the wife. I'm just trying to find the best way to keep her happy and not go broke at the same time.
no source...just my best guess to when vehicle components got cheap. In 2006, that's when the Lambdas began, so kind of using that year as a reference. :shrug:GoldEnclave said:Kids, can you reveal your source(s) that suggest that 2006+ cars won't last as long as previous models? I am curious to get a better handle on that issue, especially when it comes time to plan for a new car that is 2006+.
I have gotten a similar sense about vehicle quality. I think that Japan's best years, for example, were during the 1990s.kidsenclave said:no source...just my best guess to when vehicle components got cheap. In 2006, that's when the Lambdas began, so kind of using that year as a reference. :shrug:
I think you should just wait and see what happens - the wave plate issue doesnt show any symptoms so anything your wife 'thinks' is happening with the tranny is probably normal as the one in the '08 isnt matched well with the SI engine - its much better with the '09 DI engine smoothness wise.mcqueenslm said:So here are the estimates I received from the local dealership, "Hello my name is Terry, im from milo gordon automall. i have an est for the repairs that you inquired about. i dont know the exact issue that is happening inside but the est for replacing timing chains is $1809.80 that will have an 12month 12000 mile warranty on repairs, and $6190.88 for replaceing the engine and this will have a 3yr 100000 mile warranty, the transmission might have a wavy plate problem and this is what i have priced est of $1928.40 for rebuild with 12month 12000 mile warranty and $3889.13 for replacement with 3yr 100000 mile warranty"
So $10,000 dollars + tax for the engine and transmission rebuild. I expected it to be a lot but WOW! I could buy another Ford Fiesta for a little more $$$.
And I see that GM advertises a 5yr/100,000 mile warranty for their rebuilds, where did the 3yr/100,000 mile warranty come from.
Can anyone here recommend a reputable repair shop near Elgin, OK (73538) or know of any way I can get some kind of discount? Maybe GM would let me wash dishes for a year or two. I was already told before I deployed that my warranty was no longer valid so this will be all from my pocket.
I think my best option is to convince the wife to never buy GM again. After she hears about this I don't think I'll have to try to hard.
Its not knocking - its a ticking sound, not sure what it is but wont worry about it until something stops working.GoldEnclave said:I agree with goochman's assessment of the situation.
BTW, goochman, have you tried upgrading to 89 octane gasoline from 87 octane as per the manual's instructions if there is any knocking?
I understand your frustration, and for sure the Lambdas have had their share of issues, mainly due to the fact they were a brand new platform, brand new everything. Just curious, what have your other GM's been? Reason I ask is, most people base their good experiences on past GM's that were older platform designs, like someonething on the w-body....current Impala, or the h-body....Bonneville/LeSabre.....or a Blazer....which was around a long time. I totally get being frustrated over buying a vehicle you thought would be great, based on past experiences....but in reality we have several factors in place here. One being the move for large vehicles being on car like platforms, CUV's...which require more tuning to get power and gas mileage, and in turn have parts that fail too early because they are expected to handle more torque, for example. The biggest gripe I have is, anytime I even bring up an issue with my dealer, when I don't have it or if I do....they say they have never heard of that before. THAT is the part that gets my blood boiling, but this is from one dealership so I'm not going to slam all of them. Sales was/is great at my local Buick dealer, but service leads something to be desired.robzilla said:+1 2008 Enclave failure with 68,000 miles on it. I haven't gotten it diagnosed, but having a fair amount of wrench turning know-how and reading everything on this site as far as my vehicle symptoms - I am fast approaching zero and below optimism. This sucks - I am, what I would consider, die hard GM fan. I have defended GM (despite questionable practices in the past) and have always driven and owned GM vehicles. You would think that with so many identical problems, it would be addressed. I can't even imagine how much more we would know about if you count people that just take their vehicle in and eat the cost of repair.
It is likely that if my experience is similar to others, I will leave GM. This makes me sad - My wife, our families, and I have been thus far thoroughly impressed with the Buick Enclave. But like a previous member posted, if GM can't stick by their products (and their consumers), then I can't either.
I posted more on my situation on another thread.
I am taking my Enclave in to the local dealership tomorrow. So more to follow.
The Buick Customer rep, I've been watching a lot of your posts and I can't say how I feel about the stance of Buick on this. What is the Buick position on this anyways?